{"id":718,"date":"2011-09-28T14:32:31","date_gmt":"2011-09-28T20:32:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/?p=718"},"modified":"2011-09-28T14:32:31","modified_gmt":"2011-09-28T20:32:31","slug":"the-epistles-of-john-living-in-truth-and-love-3-john-5-9","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/2011\/09\/the-epistles-of-john-living-in-truth-and-love-3-john-5-9\/","title":{"rendered":"The Epistles of John: Living in Truth and Love.  3 John 5-9"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>Week Three: \u00a0Sept 25, 2011<\/div>\n<div>This week we continue the study in 3 John picking up in verse 5.<\/div>\n<h3>I. Body<\/h3>\n<div>Having finished with the formal introduction of the letter, John now begins to move towards the purpose of his letter which centers on the support of traveling missionaries.\u00a0\u00a0 First he starts with praise of Gaius and his treatment of traveling missionaries before moving on to a problem that has arisen.<\/div>\n<h4>a. Commendation of Gaius (5-8)<\/h4>\n<div><strong>5 &#8211; Dear friend, you are faithful in whatever you do for the brothers, especially when they are strangers. <\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; Again (see <a href=\"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/?p=716\">last week<\/a> verse 2) John begins this section with a statement of affection.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; He points out how Gaius\u2019 personal ministry was one marked by service to fellow Christians.\u00a0 Yet Gaius did not restrict his service just to his friends.\u00a0 It is one thing to help friends.\u00a0 It is quite another thing to help strangers. But Gaius seems to have gone out of his way to help those he did not know.\u00a0 Gaius\u2019 ministry brings to mind Mt 25:40 \u2013 \u201cI tell you with certainty, since you did it for one of the least important of these brothers of mine, you did it for me.\u2019\u201d<\/div>\n<div><strong>6 \u00a0&#8211; They have testified before the church about your love. You will do well to send them on their way in a manner worthy of God.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; Evidently when the traveling missionaries returned from their trip they gave a report to the church and they made mention of the kindness Gaius had shown them.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>You will do well<\/em><\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; While in English this can carry and air of warning, in Greek it is an idiom expressing a polite form of request. John is simply encouraging Gaius to continue to extend his hospitality in future visits.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em><strong>a manner worthy of God.<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; Those in the service of the gospel need our support.\u00a0 1 Tim 5: 18 says &#8211; For the Scripture says, \u201cYou must not muzzle an ox while it is treading out grain,\u201d and \u201cA worker deserves his pay.\u201d<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">o Side note:\u00a0 This is a citation from Deut 25:4 and Luke 10:7.\u00a0 But both are being referred to as scripture.<\/div>\n<div><strong>7 &#8211; After all, they went on their trip for the sake of the Name,<a href=\"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/paste\/pasteword.htm?ver=3393#_ftn1\">[1]<\/a> accepting no support from gentiles. <\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; John supports his request by pointing to their dedication (the sake of the Name) and their need (accepting no support from gentiles).\u00a0\u00a0 This was an unusual practice for the time period as many teachers, philosophers, and non-Christian religious preachers lived by selling their services. \u00a0Priests of a Syrian Goddess would brag that each \u201cmissionary\u201d journey would bring in 70 bags of gold.\u00a0 (Rogers)\u00a0 Instead as Jesus told his disciples in Mt 10:8 You have received without payment, so give without payment.<\/div>\n<div><strong>8* &#8211; Therefore, we ought to support such people so that we can become fellow workers<a href=\"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/paste\/pasteword.htm?ver=3393#_ftn2\">[2]<\/a> with them.<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; Note here that John switches to \u201cwe.\u201d\u00a0 He is making a universal point that all Christians ought to support those who work to spread the Gospel.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Greek word for \u201cought\u201d is one for a moral obligation, or to owe a debt.\u00a0 (Rogers)<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">so that we can become fellow workers with them<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; While we are all to share our faith, not all are called out for evangelism. \u00a0Instead God has gifted and called some for this task. \u00a0If we are not called, then we should support those who are. \u00a0This makes us fellow workers all working together for the same goal.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; This should be our view for all ministries.\u00a0 If we are not out on the front lines, how can we help those who are?<\/div>\n<h5>b. Criticism of Diotrephes (9,10)<\/h5>\n<div><strong>9 I wrote a letter<a href=\"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/paste\/pasteword.htm?ver=3393#_ftn3\">[3]<\/a> to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be in charge, will not recognize our authority.<a href=\"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/paste\/pasteword.htm?ver=3393#_ftn4\">[4]<\/a> <\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&#8211; Having laid out the positive part of his message, John now comes to the heart of the letter.\u00a0 This was the problem that had spawned the letter.\u00a0 He had sent an earlier letter to Diotrephes, apparently with some instruction or council, but it was rejected.\u00a0 This immediately raises three questions.\u00a0 Which letter is John referring to?\u00a0 To which church did he write? And who was Diotrephes?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Question 1:\u00a0\u00a0 What Letter is John referring to?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">There are basically three possible answers, 1 John, 2 John, or a missing letter.\u00a0 Based on the context in this letter, the earlier letter John wrote seems to have dealt with the support of traveling missionaries.\u00a0 This would seem to rule out 1 John, which is concerned with a group that split away from the church, not traveling missionaries.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 While 2 John does deal with traveling missionaries, the missionaries in that letter are spreading false teachings. \u00a0There is no indication of false teachings in 3 John.\u00a0\u00a0 So that would seem to rule out 2 John.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">That leaves us with the option of an unknown missing letter.\u00a0 This is not a problem.\u00a0 We know that not everything the apostles wrote made it into the New Testament.\u00a0 1 Corinthians 5:9 seems to refer to an earlier letter, and the description of the severe letter mentioned in 2 Corinthians 2:3-9 does not really match 1 Corinthians.\u00a0 While we do not know why these two letters were not included in the New Testament, the reason that earlier letter from John mentioned in this verse was not included is probably very simple.\u00a0\u00a0 Having rejected the letter, it is highly unlikely that Diotrephes would have saved it.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Question 2: To which church did he write?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">The most natural reading of this would indicate that the church in question was Gaius\u2019 church. But this raises an issue.\u00a0 From what we have read so far, Gaius was mostly likely a prominent person in his church. This would also be indicated by the fact that John is writing to him, and not someone else.\u00a0\u00a0 But if Gaius was such a leader in same church as Diotrephes, then why is John writing to tell him about things he should have already known?<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">This has led some to conclude that the church headed by Diotrephes was a different church than Gaius\u2019.\u00a0 In this case John is warning Gaius lest Diotrephes\u2019 influence spread to Gaius\u2019 church.\u00a0\u00a0 While this may initially seems a better solution, as we look closer it is not.\u00a0\u00a0 First off, given the praise of Gaius in previous verses, it is difficult to see that there was any real threat that Gaius would be influence by Diotrephes.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Even more difficult is John\u2019 statement in the next verse saying, \u201cWhen I come\u2026\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So it would seem that Gaius was a member of Diotrephes church.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">So how do we explain the letter?\u00a0 There would appear to be three options.\u00a0 First, it is possible that Diotrephes destroyed the letter before Gaius and the rest of the church knew about it. \u00a0His attempt to communicate with Diotrephes having failed, John is now writing Gaius.\u00a0 This would also explain why we do not have the letter.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">A second option is that Gaius, while a prominent member, lived far enough away so as not to have known what was going on.\u00a0 This explanation also has an added benefit; in this case it would explain why Gaius was so important to traveling missionaries.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">A third option is that it is possible that Gaius had been ill.\u00a0 We saw in verse 2 that John prayed for Gaius\u2019 health.\u00a0 While this does to mean that Gaius was in fact ill, it is a possibility, and would explain the need for the letter.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Finally, it could have been some combination of the above.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Question 3: Who was Diotrephes?<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">This is the only mention of Diotrephes in the New Testament.\u00a0 During the first century the name was not very common, and literally means \u201cComes from Zeus\u201d or \u201cZeus-Nurtured.\u201d When the name is found it is normally associated with nobility.\u00a0 The Greek word for \u201cloves to be in charge\u201d (philoproteuon) means a desire to be first, the desire to lead others.\u00a0 It indicates that the root of the problem was an issue of power and ego, not doctrine.\u00a0 Diotrephes wanted to run his church as he saw fit, and was rejecting the authority of John.\u00a0 He also had some other issues as we will see in the next verse.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">It is easy to write this off as simply a personal problem with Diotrephes; one that has little to teach us, but when we consider the time and place it is also easy to see that there was some more going on here that does speak to our time.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">When John wrote this letter he was probably old and very likely the last of the Apostles.\u00a0 The early church was in a period of transition, from the rule of the Apostles, to what would end up as the rule of Bishops.\u00a0 But none of this was formal or structured.\u00a0 That would come much later.\u00a0\u00a0 As such, it should not be all that surprising that in this time of transition there would be a young ambitious man who would come to think he could do things better, and in doing so would question why he should have to submit to John.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">The problem of Diotrephes is something that many young people have felt in many walks of life.\u00a0 It is something that many young pastors have struggled with.\u00a0 But it is not limited to pastors.\u00a0 We all tend to think that we could do things better or different.\u00a0 While at time the old are too reluctant to change, likewise at times, the young are too eager. We must guard against both.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Eph 5:21 says that we should \u201csubmit to one another out of reverence for the Messiah.\u201d\u00a0 Yet this is not a command, even though it often appears as such in many translations.\u00a0 This is because all translation must balance readability with accuracy.\u00a0 In modern English long complicated sentences are to be avoid.\u00a0 Here the sentence begins back in Eph 5:18 with the command to \u201ckeep on being filled with the Spirit, then you will\u2026\u201d\u00a0 What follows is a list of the effects of being filled with the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 Thus when we get to verse 21, submitting to one another is result of being filled with the Holy Spirit, not a command.<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">This is a particularly important message today because it is so counter cultural.\u00a0\u00a0 Our culture sees submission as a bad thing. In fact we see rebellion as a good thing. On top of that, our culture emphasizes the young, and devalues the old. \u00a0Even within the church, tradition is rejected and the new is sought. \u00a0So Diotrephes would fit right in with our modern view of the world, and as such is a warning to the modern Church.<\/div>\n<h4>Questions:<\/h4>\n<div>I encourage an open class and a range of questions, not just those dealing with the material covered in the class that week. This week two people had a question on how to deal with co-workers. In one case the co-worker was a Jehovah Witnesses, and in the other a Mormon. \u00a0\u00a0The first point I made is to avoid loaded words like \u201ccult.\u201d This is because nothing is gained, except to divert attention on to a semantic discussion on the meaning of the word.\u00a0 Instead, I refer to these groups in factual terms, i.e., that they differ from the beliefs that have historically defined Christianity.\u00a0 Most Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses I have talked to would agree. They differ from historical Christianity, because they think historical Christianity is wrong.\u00a0\u00a0 This keeps the discussion way from semantic debates and focused on what really matters, which view is correct.<\/div>\n<div>The second point I made was to point out that this is primarily a spiritual issue and not really an issue of evidence and reason.\u00a0 Jesus makes magnificent arguments.\u00a0 In terms of reason, logic, and evidence his arguments were solid.\u00a0 Yet in response his opponents wanted to stone him. He raised Lazarus from the dead and in response his opponents wanted to kill Lazarus. \u00a0We cannot expect to do better than Jesus did.<\/div>\n<div>So what then can we do? Pray.\u00a0 This is a spiritual battle, and our first line of defense is to pray. Pray for them, and pray for yourself. \u00a0Second, listen.\u00a0 You are not witnessing to \u201ca Mormon,\u201d or \u201ca Jehovah Witness.\u201d\u00a0 You are witnessing to a person who has their own issues and beliefs.\u00a0 Why are they a Mormon?\u00a0 Why are the Jehovah Witness?\u00a0 Why do they hold the belief that they do?\u00a0\u00a0 Three, don\u2019t feel like you need to be the Bible Answer man.\u00a0 Feel free to say \u201cThat\u2019s a good point, let me look into that.\u201d\u00a0 \u00a0This will give you time to research the issue and get back to them. \u00a0Forth, seek to ask questions more than make points.\u00a0 The evidence and the facts are on our side. Let them defend how they get around those facts, and why they ignore the evidence.<\/div>\n<div>Finally, I made the point that you should not expect to see results. If you do, great! But, often we never see how the Holy Spirit will use what we have said. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.consider.org\/blog\/?page_id=202\">When I was an atheist<\/a>, it was not the statements that Christians said that affected me, it was how the Holy Spirit used those statements, how I struggled with them later on, which had an impact.<\/div>\n<div>Next week we will start in 3 John 10<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>If you have question about the class, feel free to send me an email at <a href=\"mailto:elgin@hushbeck.com\">elgin@hushbeck.com<\/a> and be sure to put \u201cEpistles of John\u201d in the header.<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"https:\/\/www.consider.org\/blog\/?p=227\">See here for more background on the class<\/a>.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Scripture taken from the Holy Bible: International Standard Version<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. Copyright \u00a9 1996-2008 by The ISV Foundation. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED INTERNATIONALLY. Used by permission. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.isv.org\/\">www.isv.org<\/a><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Note: Some places I have modify the text from the version ISV. Passages that I have modified have been noted with and * by the verse number and the ISV text is included in a footnote.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\"> <\/span><\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\"> <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/hushbeck.com\/blog\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/paste\/pasteword.htm?ver=3393#_ftnref1\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman;\">[1]<\/span><\/strong><\/a><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Calibri;\"> 7 I.e. 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